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Carefully read Dr Alexander’s Wikipedia page. Not always a trustworthy guy it would seem.

A few immediate points I’d like to pick up on: 1. People experience the same thing (and overlapping themes and visions) while on psychedelic trips. I think it’s either a brain trick, of a real plane of existence that we can’t usually access in normal waking consciousness. 2. If only humans enter into this place after death, where/when did this start along human timeline? Are to the human cousins/ancestors also experience it? What about the Neanderthal/homo-sapien genetic hybrids? How ‘unhuman’ would a hybrid species have to be before they can’t access this realm? 3: Penguins are not present in this realm but butterflies are? What’s going on there?!

i think that a belief in God necessitates the acceptance of not having free will. first of all i will be bulletpointing. 1: God Draws all men to him 2: No man may boast that he can save himself only christ can (if you can choose to believe christ died for you, you can boast in yourself) 3: No man would choose to serve God over his own nature./Mans nature keeps us from choosing God. 4: All men are given the gift of faith in the amounts God chooses. and faith is not grown by man but buy Gods gift. Summation: man's nature is the driving force for their action only steered by faith which is a Gift of God

God said thou shalt not crap in the well. And he was totally right

You must be born again to be able to thrive upon the "mystery of God". In the adamic state, we will never rest with the "mystery of godliness", and "the mystery of iniquity" etc., as said in Scripture. And getting the jist of Deuteronomy 29:29 is now getting more notice these days. Esoterica is endless speculation ; futile for searching souls.

Depends on how retarded you are. If you're incredibly retarded, then yes, tongues are real and the gibberish coming out your piehole is direct communication with the bug guy upstairs. This old bald Guy with glasses is talking about it in a serious manner, so we must take it like super seriously you know. But If you have half a working brain cell. Then no, it's literally just people going bdhrntnndjwkenfbsjwnebd. Cheers

Paul spoke in various languages. The word 'glôssa' in Greek simply means 'language' - nothing more should be read into it. Further, Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles - it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job description”. It also stands to reason that he wished others were able to do the same - would make his job a lot easier and the message could be better spread to all corners of the known world. Paul is not speaking about, nor is he advocating here for, modern tongues-speech. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only *one* type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned). _Nowhere_ in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced. ‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God/Holy Spirit given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy (as many people incorrectly assume), nor is it the self-created non-cognitive non-language utterance of what certain Christian denominations are producing today (modern tongues-speech).

Studies of tongues have shown no difference in the tongues of any religion and no markers consistent with actual language. It’s gibberish and ununique to Christianity.

The Biblical background of, eg, Numbers 11 and 12 cannot be ignored in understanding 1 Corinthians 12-14.

This is the thing we are skeptical of when it comes to religion?

OK Matthew, Mark,Luke didn't write it down,however you see them giving Him the worship ascribed only to YHWH from them being Jews,that is a big claim from their persons Mat 28:17 We have the relgious leaders of Jesus's time who were intelligent and educated as much as any man today Why then were stones picked up by the jews,what claims did Jesus make to upset them,let's discect this point.The jews were the leaders Jesus made the claims and they reacted,how much of weight does that hold. If the book of John hints at His deity and the Jews wanted to stone Him for His statement,how much more evidence will you need. If Jesus said it once,for example I and my Father are One.Why do we need more references from the disciples.What is wrong with saying something once. The point is that Jesus said it.What is the credibility of Jesus,can He not say something just once Jesus did not stop Thomas calling Him God Jesus accepted the worship of the disciples in Mat 28:17 Jesus accepts the worship in revelation 5. Revelation 22:9 KJV “Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Revelation 5 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Meaning of the word worship is the same word in Matthew and revelation scriptures quoted. 4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance" (BAGD). Matthew 28:17 King James Version 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. In conclusion. Jesus is the King Zech 9:9 Jesus did not directly say to Pilate He was King ,does this mean that He was not the King. In the same way Jesus said He is deity ,is it not clear because the disciples did not expressly state it,read Mat 28:17 again,they prostrated themselves and gave Him the worship previously ascribed only to YHWH by the Jews John 18 33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” 34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” 35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” 36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” 37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

Love Bart doing history and Peter doing whatever it is Peter does

So Stevie thinks that Satan is a worker or a task manager for God? no theologian or Christianity teaches this, he doesn’t even know the basics. Why are we not calling him out on that and also, I’d like to hear his definition of “evil” he keeps using it in his complaining . in his worldview there is no write/ wrong ,good / bad or evil, there just is , don’t let him get away with this. He has to be ontologically sound for any of this to be taken seriously.

Jesus Christ whom been given all authority in earth and in heaven will deside if you begame what you begame. It is lies of satan from deeps of hell that those professors uttered from their mouth

I am not a Christian, and i am wary of all religions. I wish People could have Mutual respect. May God bless everyOne!

If you want to look and sound like demented cavemen, then tongues away! (Oo Missus!)

Grow up . Talking like babes , making noise like children. What nonsense. More of NT wrongs. Verbal diarrhoea

Liar, or crazy Christian nut,.

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The reason why Moore and Brierly are vehemently opposed to all being brought together in Christ’s love is that this threatens the hegemony of the church. It’s all about control. It’s cultic. They have to have a clearly defined in-group contrasted by the out-group. And heaven forbid the two should be confused or worse, brought together by Love, “because we, the people who benefit from Christian hegemonic power, would loose our grip in this right wing politico-religious cult and we’re going to ride this one all the way to the bank.” There are only two options. One is that Moore and Brierly are entirely cynical, as I suggest. Really the only alternative is that they are completely brainwashed, which is equally alarming for the future of not just Christendom but of civilisation itself.

Why does our faith have to be filled with so many weirdo things. Tongues, laying on hands, trance like worship songs..

“And the weakest chapter in the book..” “And the second weakest chapter is..” And the most patronising, arrogant, mean looser who can’t see the tragedy that he’s doing a hatchet job on his own spiritual father just to win browny points in the god-cult. What an unconscionable shit and what a looser. I wouldn’t have shaken his hand at the end. Everything he stands for is despicable and his so-called God is a horror story I wouldn’t read to my children. He shouldn’t be pastoring a church. The man’s a danger to society.

All those in the barnyard, to the best of their lungs, The Praises of God Tell, all 'speaking in tongues' ! QUACK, ARF, OINK, CLUCK, HALLELUYAH !

That phrase was ARAMAIC, and never meant the naive notion it has been misconscrewed to be ! It has to do with very colloquial meanings, and IDIOMS, like GEORGE LAMSA revealed so well. He was exclusively adept in translating the meaning of the words in NT especially that were NOT RECOGNIZED BY JUST RAW TRANSLATION. As example, "Cutting a rug", we know MEANS "DANCING". LITERALISM KILLS ! It's the spirit, stupid !

Incredible. I’m blown away by the sheer tragic foolishness of Moore

The Gospels are the evolved versions of Hindu Ashtadasaha Puranas ..

what a waffle intro by Ben. It was so nauseating in how he tried to defuse Alex.

It took me a long time to realise that the Word teaches us (Eg 1 cor 14) Tongues and interpretation should be directed towards God (man to God ) and not people (man to man) as per prophecy. For example 1 cor 14,16-17 is about thanksgiving, directed to God through praise and prayer

Keep these people visible, then we know who to avoid 👍

No…….religion may become cultural……..but it stems from spirituality of each individual……religion is the coercion of spirituality……. it was militarized…….and the study of religion and the study of military are one and the same…..

Watching these two men. Who would I feel safe to have in my life? Steve. I’d like him to be the godfather of my children. I’d trust him with my granny. I wouldn’t want to be stuck on a life raft with Moore.

Moore you patronising twit!

Any book that annoys Moore this much must be good. So I’ve just gone online and bought it. Really looking forward to to a bit of decent healthy Christlike theology. Not this narrow hell and damnation mediaeval nightmare Moore is advocating

The alternative to Christian Universalism would be what? Some kind of excepionalism?which would be really the most offensive theology wouldn’t it? You believe what we believe or you roast in hell? Any Christian who says that to me can go to hell themselves!

Let’s just be completely clear then Justin, you don’t live up to your name. You’re not just. You would try to destroy the reputation of Steve Chalke, one of the most decent people you’ll ever meet. And for what? So you can bolster your reputation as a mainline evangelical. You never set this up to be a fair debate. Your cynical ploy to boost your following is transparent. Shame on you. There was only one real Christian sitting at this table. We can all see it was Chalke who we already respected for his work and theology and now we admire him for his courage in the lions den too.

I wonder if believers feel ashamed in praying or speaking in tongues or something. I honestly dont understand our problem. I mean this seems to be only prevalent in the West. If my presumption serves me right. In west Africa, Ghana where I'm from. Rarely do believers wrestle with tongues speaking or praying in tongues. I pray in tongues almost all the time. There are things words fail me to express. I just pray in tongues. Well in a congregation of believers where almost everyone prays in tongues, we all do humbly pray in tongues together. We dont hide in our bedrooms to speak in tongues. Mind you when during a worship session and someone burst out loud in tongues that's where its expected for interpretation. Most of what I've seen, another person will be inspired by the same spirit to interpret. As the testimony of two holds. Now if there was no interpretation just the babbling. After the service, this Person is approached by spiritual leaders and they sort of assess that individual. Like in 1 John. Test all Spirits. Know the fruits these individuals bear. Certain things will informe even the average ears what this person spoke is not true tongues. Well i can hear that mostly. Had a prayer session one time in high school and mate of mine started speaking in tongues and what he was saying i could hear profanity in it. Babbling left and right. Seems uncontrollable and i hear the F word in whatever he was saying. Not that he was joking but he was certainly under the influence of something. Now as the word said. The spirit of the prophets are subject unto them. If anyone claims to be filled with the spirit and speaks or prays in tongues and he/ she have no self awareness or control over what he's saying it calls him into question. Now how do you address that? Discredit all tongues? No. But be subtle in testing the Spirit of people who claim to speak in tongues or operate with any other spiritual gifts. If you are in doubt as a believer about what tongues really is. As some call it gibberish. Ask the holy spirit to enable you to speak the true tongues. I'll be glad to hear what that is. I don't think like others interpret that as meaning different language as in if im fluent in English, I'll all of a sudden speak in Spanish or Chinese just to edify myself. Why would chinese or Spanish edify me. I find that explanation to be ridiculous. Much said. I wish i could verbally dialogue. There's so much to this than our prejudice interpretations. May God help us all.

Speaking in ‘tounges’ is the biggest load of tosh imo 😂

Why does Brierly keep getting Moore to define Chalkes arguments? Surely it would be much fairer to let Chalke speak for himself? We know why. Because it’s meant to be a stitch up. But it fails because of the sheer quality of Chalk’s Christlike theology and his unfeigned compassion for humanity.

I think it was meant to be a kind of unfair set up where Justin Poshtwit was going to stitch up Steve snd feed him to Moore. But the contrast in the quality of Steve and his well educated arguments from a scholastic base, rather than a narrow church hegemony, motivated from a deep compassion for people just shines out.

They make accusations at Steve and then when he defends himself it’s always “well, we’ll come to that..”

Moore, what an unpleasant little man.

Phil Moore : typical Christian church twit with a narrow agenda to defend church authority. Steve Chalk: decent Godly human being who has worked hard all his life to bring about the gospel of God’s love, not by pompous church self righteousness but through hard work and kindness.

Phil Moore had a childish attitude to this conversation. All he wants is to trash Chalk’s book. He’s really not being fair to the reality of scholarly thinking and Justin B, well I think really he’s a posh twit

Called to twist scripture

It’s her hypocrisy..JESUS DID NOT CONDON SODOMY…whose kingdom…Satan was represent as 2 genders..

Idotry of self image …THIS IS INSANITY AT BEST…WE NEED MORE CALVINS…THE WORD OF GOD IS CLEAR…. She/He troubles me..all divisive

JESUS BROUGHT A SWORD

Oh boy 🙈

Oh boy 🙈

Call sin sin… this is twisted